I want, more than anything, to be able to tell you I'm not sexist. In reality it's just not true. I have a problem with female authority. I also have a problem working effectively with women. This isn't a decision I've made, it's just kind of happened. Every conflict I've ever had at work have been with women. From the Army until the present. Every female I worked with or for in the Army seemed to be extra bitchy as if they had something to prove. Every female I've worked with in the civilian seems to be extra sensitive. I haven't figured out which I think is more annoying. I'm not trying to come off as though I hate women because it's not true. I like to date strong intellegent women. I just can't seem to work with them.
I bring this is up because last night was a perfect demonstration in why I can't work with women. We had a female specimin courier come into the lab and the first thing she said was I need to speak to the boss. That in and of it's self pissed me off. I thought to myself "Who the fuck are you". Her problem ended up being pretty trivial but since she wanted to talk to the boss, by God I was going to let her. I guess I should remind you that it's been about three months now and I still don't have a direct supervisor so all the problems we have on our shift go to another department's shift supervisor. Brilliant I know. This shift supervisor also happens to be a woman but had no idea how to solve this problem. Naturally both of them are both freaked out. you wanna know what about? A specimin got sent to us from another hospital on the wrong requisition. Here's a thought. I bet that hospital doesn't have our specific requisition because it's a different hospital.
I guess the part that really pissed me off is that the shift supervisor refused to accept the fact that she didn't know what she was doing, that three other women from my department have zero problem solving skills and that this courier made a huge problem out of something that wasn't a big deal. If she had just done her job and left the specimin the way it was, everything would have been fine. One of the women in my department would have come to me and asked if I knew what to do with it and I would have told them how to solve the problem in about three seconds. Instead there were five women standing around doing absoloutley nothing. Freaking out about something simple. making about 30 phone calls. I still don't know what they were trying to figure out. They were seriously standing around for 20 minutes.
My sexist half comes out in situations like this. Men are not indecisive. I understand that sometimes that can be a fault but in most situations I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a asset. I have a pretty old school work ethic. I think you're stealing from a company if you're standing around doing nothing. I think you need to do, not plan unless your job is to be a planner, I gaurentee no one I work with would ever be hired to be a planner. I hate being at work thinking I'm constantly cleaning up other people's messes. I admit if I knew what to do with this problem I should have stepped in said something. I just had to let it play out. Otherwise what would I have to write about? Have I mentioned how much I hate my job?
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You are not alone. I hate working for women. My father-in-law hates working for women. My best friend hates working for women.
Phooey on divisity - it sucks to work for a female.
That whole passive-aggressive Asian female thing drives me nuts - esp. with the middle-aged ones who constantly suspect some sort of plot or conspiracy against them.
I also hate working for women and I am a woman! I work in an academic setting. I've learned that women that were hired back in the 60's are still working in these academic settings. Most of these women lack 21st century office skills, hard to train, set in their old ways. Their days are full of gossip and socializing. A walk to someone's office turns into a social event. I enjoy working with men, easy going, to the point and no drama!
God, I hate working with women too! I can't tell you how many times a woman will come ask me a question and then another one will over hear and stick her damn nose in it. Then suddenly 3 or 4 other women hear something going on so naturally they have to get involved, meanwhile nobody asked any one of them for their stupid input. I bust my ass all day long and it infuriates me everytime I walk past a row of women all of them are on the internet looking at purses or huddled around another's cubicle hemming and hawing over kitten angels and other fucking bullshit.
I hate working with women also. And I am a woman! I have a huge problem with sensitivity. You cannot say a thing to them without them feeling you are being mean to them. I work in the Oil & Gas industry as a consultant and this one company I am at in Houston the women are crazy. They have no clue what they are doing and I do and they are threatened by it. But what makes it worse is the Controller goes for it. He believes everyone should get along and the work does not have to be right. I know we spend most of our time at work, but my god women need to MAN up and quit being meak. But women are the first to complain when they are not represented in upper management. Men are no more sexist than women are toward other women! Men are much easier to work with and if you say something to them they pay you no attention unless it is work related.
Oh my God I thought I was alone!! I'm a woman and absolutely HATE working with women. I don't know what the deal is but many of these women could use a boot up the azz. And the ones in management positions are the worst. Whomever said women could get the job done better are dead WRONG! Almost every female boss I've had seemed like she has something to prove and proving it meant stepping on employees and making employee's lives pure hell!!. Every job I've had has been female dominated so you can't blame it on this whole well she's gotta act like that because of sexist male coworkers having a problem with women as authority figures. No, I don't fall for that crap anymore. It was never men who had problems with women, it was the damn women themselves all along. And then lets not forget the drama that female coworkers keep up and then there are the mood swings. Give me an office full of men any day! In fact at all the jobs I've had, I've always gotten along with the guys better and yes the females had a problem with this too!
I find great hilarity in the double-edged sword that people are throwing in here. Especially the women. I have to admit, I am a woman, and I am much happier working in a setting where there are more males. However, I have worked at a job with all men, and let me tell you. The meat head mentality that almost every single one of them had (no matter what kind of person they were alone) was way too much to deal with. Even the tech guys turned into walking dicks with no brain. Also, men think they know everything, and simply refuse to believe that a woman could be right. Women are gossipy, bitchy and backstabbing. Men are know-it-alls, stubborn, and think that all problems involve a black and white answer, which obviously is not true in some cases.
It would be nice for a little tolerance from the world. And, to the author of the post. Yeah, we totally believe that you have no problem with women. You just wish they would stay in the kitchen.
OMG that is so hilarious in a way....All this comments. Women this and that and Hey it's all true. I'm a woman researcher and life sucks when in the office and out there doing field work when they start bitching about this and that. I have a problem with this and that. My husbands this and that. It just messes a days work. Man!!!Get some fucking councelling.
You said it the best. I thought I was the only one to think that way but now I find out that bitchy women do exist.
I do not have a problem with women with authority per se, but I have a problem with how they use that authority. A lot of the times they are impatient and can't give you any time. I had 2 such experience (one with a shop owners daughter and the other with a secretary). If the shop owners daughter works there and can't give me time as a potential customer and rushes me and makes me feel like I am an inconvenience then I am sorry to be an inconvenience and I will do business with somebody else. The secretary at my university also has an issue and think she can treat the students like piece of sh.it. If I ever am in a position to hire anybody it wont be an woman, that's for sure!!! I would like to also ask business men for the interest of your business to consider this and be very cautious when hiring women
I am glad to see many people think like me. I am a woman myself and I had terrible experience with women in power. I think something is related to their hormones that make them that much moody and unpredictable. and that is true. They all want to prove something. Take it easy man. You should not prove that you deserve to be my boss!
A woman can be an invaluable asset to an organization and the life blood of a facilities morale. But if there is more than one woman, hit the deck. Women can be team players on the surface but underneath women are purely individualist. Me me me, I want, I hate, I deserve, I think. Women believe that comments are directed to them and most of them are negative. This is why when a man complains too much he is told to “stop being a bitch”. Earlier someone wrote that men see things in “black and white”. I agree. This is why men make timely decisions that may not always be correct but at least a made decision was made. Women on the other hand seem to think that everything situation is grey. This is why women take forever to make a decision and really never sticking with that decision or giving it a full 100% effort. In a grey world nothing is ever certain. I have been “the guy” working in an office of seven women for two years. Gossiping, complaining, crying, misinterpretations, word play, back stabbing, tantrums, ganging up, creating rumours, interfering, blaming, passing the buck, lying and wasting time is what I see every day. When you are “the guy” you are the person that all the ladies come to, one at a time, to ask questions, request favours and seeking an ear or shoulder to use. But if there is more than one woman in the room “the guy” becomes the office enemy, the alien species on the floor. Phrases that I have found women are incapable of speaking are “I am sorry, I was wrong, you were right, I don’t have enough work to do, and can I help”. I have also noticed that most women already know that working with women sucks, this is why they are always complaining about each other, but every woman seems to thinks that they are not like those other girls. “I am not like most other women”. YES YOU ARE! You might be nice when there are no other women around, but if another female gets hired you are just like all the rest. My advice to all men working with women is just stay out of it. Unless you are brought into it, and sometimes even if you are, just stay the hell out of it. Go to work, do your job and watch your back.
I have worked for two different women in my career and never again will I ever work for another one if I can help it. The current job I'm in I was hired by a man, he left and a woman replaced him. Needless to say I'm job shopping and hitting the pavement HARD.
I was in the military and honestly military women seem to be the only ones that I get along with. Their straightforward demeanor and stability in what they do and their emotions is what I need in order to feel I'm in a successful environment. It seems to be such a huge percentage of women that can't rein in who they are, what their feelings are, how they handle their authoritative positions and simply how they treat people who report to them.
Big dick syndrome I call it. They feel that since they don't have one they have to work harder to act like they have one and on top of that, act like they have one that is bigger than every guy in the organizatoin. I don't have a problem with that but when they go around swinging it sporatically in regards to their emotions and your expectations of what supervisor you get that particular day I then have a problem with it.
Women shouldnt be allowed authority at work, it just goes to thier head, they take it out on you when they are stressed, if you have an argument they hold a grudge against u forever, thier stupid moods and huffs piss you off, there is no talking to them and i agree they all seem as if they are trying to prove something.
I am a woman and hate working with women. In all my jobs women don't know when to shut up. Not everyone wants to hear their every thought out loud. They over talk meaningless crap that has nothing to do with work. I have no desire to chit chat about their meaningless crap and that gives them some irrational reason to not like me. Most women have little girl mentality trying to play grown up. They make judgments based on their immature feelings and stand around and whine in their little girl voices. A strong, straightforward woman who does not engage in their form of socializing intimidates them. Their ways are energy draining. Not every woman needs to talk excessively and form an emotional bond with everyone they meet. Only very few women I've worked with are no problem. The rest need to stay home or grow some balls.
I want, more than anything, to be able to tell you I'm not sexist. In reality it's just not true. I have a problem with male authority. I also have a problem working effectively with men. This isn't a decision I've made, it's just kind of happened. Every conflict I've ever had at work have been with men. From the Army until the present. Every male I worked with or for in the Army seemed to be extra macho as if they had something to prove. Every male I've worked with in the civilian seems to be extra insensitive. I haven't figured out which I think is more annoying. I'm not trying to come off as though I hate men because it's not true. I like to date strong intellegent men. I just can't seem to work with them.
I bring this is up because last night was a perfect demonstration in why I can't work with men. We had a male specimin courier come into the lab and the first thing he said was I need to speak to the boss. That in and of it's self pissed me off. I thought to myself "Who the fuck are you". His problem ended up being pretty trivial but since he wanted to talk to the boss, by God I was going to let him. I guess I should remind you that it's been about three months now and I still don't have a direct supervisor so all the problems we have on our shift go to another department's shift supervisor. Brilliant I know. This shift supervisor also happens to be a woman but had no idea how to solve this problem. Naturally both of them are both freaked out. you wanna know what about? A specimin got sent to us from another hospital on the wrong requisition. Here’s a thought. I bet that hospital doesn't have our specific requisition because it's a different hospital.
I guess the part that really pissed me off is that the shift supervisor refused to accept the fact that she didn't know what she was doing, that three other men from my department have zero problem solving skills and that this courier made a huge problem out of something that wasn't a big deal. If he had just done his job and left the specimin the way it was, everything would have been fine. One of the men in my department would have come to me and asked if I knew what to do with it and I would have told them how to solve the problem in about three seconds. Instead there were five men standing around doing absoloutley nothing. Freaking out about something simple. making about 30 phone calls. I still don't know what they were trying to figure out. They were seriously standing around for 20 minutes.
My sexist half comes out in situations like this. Men are not decisive. I understand that sometimes that can be a fault but in most situations I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's a asset. I have a pretty old school work ethic. I think you're stealing from a company if you're standing around doing nothing. I think you need to do, not plan unless your job is to be a planner, I gaurentee no one I work with would ever be hired to be a planner. I hate being at work thinking I'm constantly cleaning up other people's messes. I admit if I knew what to do with this problem I should have stepped in said something. I just had to let it play out. Otherwise what would I have to write about? Have I mentioned how much I hate my job?
I cannot work with a group of women and I am a woman. I am a strong, independent, intelligent and decent looking woman. I have high morals, do not mess around, and live alone--without a man's support. Most women cannot handle my strong and independent nature. In fact, most women are backstabbing and idiotic--who cares about what item you are going to crochet next or what your man did that you hate now (you are the one with him and if ya dont like it, leave him). Today I had a problem at work because I said something to someone to correct a problem taht had come up. Instead of just doing it, the group of women just went nuts. I do not understand these types of women. If they do not have drama, they are not happy.
Working with a woman in charge is like walking on eggshells.
Her friggin mood changes by the hour. Couple this with an ignorant male supervisor who not so coincidently looks like a hairy baboon who will suck up to her and verbally attack you at the first opportunity she starts against you, and it makes you wonder how the hell these clowns got in their positions in the first place.
Everyone has problems, but we leave them at home. These idiots take theirs out on everyone else, and they use their authority to cause hell for the "common worker".
Give me a day with no drama, I can do my job and go home!
I've worked with Women for over 12 years and I am still trying to find a way to avoid daily arguments. If Women spent less time moaning about their husbands and boyfriends, gossiping and bitching about other Women in the office, complaining about their workload and how busy they are, they may get more done. Also don't say anything with a slight tone in your voice and never ask a Women to take on any extra work unless you enjoy getting a 5 minute lecture on how they can't cope with their current workload. If you are the only bloke in the office, my best advice is keep your mouth shut and don't get involved,CLEAN up after yourself and never offer to help with anything as an offer to help will usually be taken the wrong way - rant over
I used to have so much respect for women, but believe it or not after 2 miserable years at being one of the only men working at a major national women's rights organization, I have lost all of my respect for women in the workplace.
If they're not complaining about their jobs, husbands/bf's, other women, or their appearances, they're online looking at videos of puppies on youtube or shoe-shopping or talking for hours about how cute their friend's summer dress is - all on company time! This is all fine on personal time, but I believe most office environments are team-oriented these days, which means when one person slacks other team members have to compensate.
Those team members usually end up being men who are actually capable of applying logic (not emotion) to make strategic decisions quickly without hours of useless deliberation, delegate tasks without drama or power struggles, and adapt (without freaking out and getting emotional) to any challenges that arise along the way.
My college professor used to talk about how studies showed that women add so many positive things to a workplace - and, guess what, I believed it at the time because I respected the intelligence of my female classmates. But the workplace demands so much more than booksmarts. It's more about EQ than it is about IQ. Women just have no EQ when it comes to the workplace.
One last thing - this nonsense about wage disparities between women and men is utterly absurd. If anything, women get away with doing nothing at work while still making wages near par with their male counterparts. On top of that, male bosses walk on eggshells around their female subordinates because they are scared they'll make them cry if they give them too much work or give them any constructive criticism. I've seen plenty of women make MORE than men, but that's because they actually deserved to make more (smart, hardworking, and drama-free). Our society needs to stop harping about wage disparities because the fact is that companies mainly care about the bottom line and if you're a good employee, they'll pay more to keep you regardless of your gender. By the same token, you make less if you do less and that's the main fact reflected in any women's "lower" wage.
Oh my god. Thank god I am not alone. I am a woman and I absolutely HATE working with other women. I work in clinical research and I take pride in my ability to problem solve, quick decision making but it seems like most women I work with are either insecure, back stabbing or just need constant reassurance. I identify with the OP, because I freaking hate when people cannot make a decision and stand around trying to figure out how to do one simple task. Make a decision and keep it moving! Sheesh..Every single position I've had, I have had run ins with women who have made my work life miserable.
Working with women sucks and it is the worse thing I have ever experienced!
As an ex-army ranger and 1st grade teacher...
My life is a living hell at work every day... and Let me tell you,an elementary school, is a murderous combat zone behind enemy lines.
Nothing makes me sicker in my stomach to see women talk about teamwork, colleagiality, and professionalism. Plus, write buzz words on chart paper, jump up and down, clap, celebrate, and give fake hugs to one another. I ask anyone to answer, why does our society pretend that they have the slightest clue about the existence of another person beyond themselves.
I mean, from the time a girl is little, its about how they look, what they wear, the jewelry they get, who are they going to marry, and how they look among each other and stack compared to one another. Furthermore, if we pretend their sports are existentent of team anolagy, its still about who's on top of the cheerleading pyramid.
Every day I walk through those doors, its just like preparing to flare out of a CH-40 chinook helicopter into the gates of hell. I know artillery explosions are going to blast against every inch of the drop zone. I know bullets are going to whiz by from every direction and I wont know where or how to pinpoint where they come from.
Every next second could be my last. Because the female enemy is the nastiest, sneakiest, devisive combatant I have ever faced. From any comment, action, or misinterpretation, could come in any second, a whizing round straight to the back like a well aimed enemy sniper round.
Make no mistake, this enemy has the power to suck the life out of your career and shame on our society as it allows it through such one sided terms like "harassment" and "an uncomfortable work environment." As it only works for women and they are enemy that creates and makes use of the term, "uncomfortable work environment." Add two or more women and they are as about as well intentioned as Japan in Pearl Harbor, and that is only half the destruction a group of women can make in the workplace everyday.
And lastly, the worst thing about the combat zone I drop into everyday, is I have no rifle, no body armor, and no ranger buddy to watch my back. Any time your lucky enough to have that, surely enough one is fragged and sent to his death (he quits, gets fired, or leaves with a severe case of PTSD.)If one rises to a principal, he is no longer a whole man, he is a beaten puppy to scared to act, too worried, and always looking out for a landmine to oust him in lieu of "feelings," "agendas," and "pure rotten spite!"
Yes I am sexist... but two or more women cannot stand together, carry one another, help another survive together, and face a real fire together, and it is that shortchange has somehow become a man's fault.
Have you ever noticed how giving childbirth, washing dishes and folding laundry is coincidently, indiviulastic in nature?
Make no mistake, the term "torpedo" is nothing ever learned untill I worked with women.
Amen. I work in healthcare, research in fact. It's an industry loaded to the hilt with women in authority. Pure hell. I never had any trouble with any of my male bosses. I'm not hard to get along with, but women will always find a way to torment a male co-worker with their bitchiness. I wish they'd smoke a little pot or something.
I have worked as a secretary for over 30 years and have never had any problems at work until recently where more women are employed (not as bosses) but as professionals. I get really annoyed with working with women because they treat me more like a skivvy. Men have never done that. I have a theory that it relates to the way men and women are designed. Women are more designed to bring up children and when you are bringing up children you would only get the child to help you or do small tasks. Whereas men are more designed to be head of the house and therefore they would not treat their family members like adults. This is the reason why my male bosses have also relied on me to do proper whole tasks but they would do their own menial tasks whereas when I am working for a women they treat me more like their "little helper" and do not give me whole tasks to do just bits of tasks which is very annoying.
Slight error in my comment. I meant to say "Whereas men are more designed to be head of the house and therefore they would treat their family members like adults.
An example is when one of the team members was preparing to send out invites for a function that we were having - she's not the boss, just another employee one level higher than me. The job was something that I could have easily done but she had been given it to do by the boss - it's purely an admin job but she tries to make out its more than that. Because I am the admin she asks me help her by photocopying some leaflets and making up lists of addresses, i.e., treating me like the "little helper". The way I've worked with men is that they either do everything or they give everything to me to do; OR we divide the tasks up equally in a proper teamworking negotiating way. These type of women think by asking me they are negotiating when in reality they are just telling me to do something. Again, I have never experienced this with men. Quite often women will give me something to do that takes longer explaining to me how to do it than if they had just done it themselves - this really annoys me because its time wasting and stops me doing my own jobs. If I say anything they just reply "it's your job".
I am a woman architect, and personnally I can say that I hate gossiping, I don't backstab, I like things to be straightforward and logical - in many ways, I can say I think like a man on many levels; lately I started on a large project were ther happens to be many young women architects all around the same level - for better or worst, I am at their level too, and so far things are quite the opposite of straightforward and logical, every little thing has a whole story behind it, no one can make any decisions, I would but as a newcomer unfamiliar with the project and the context, i feel its not my place to so. I feel like 50% of the job is figuring out how to together the information i need from these women, who to ask, who not to ask, who wants to control everythinng and be involved although there is nothing about her role which would require her to do so... I really hate it.
The constant having to tip toe around every issue, in order not to upset a female workers feelings. It takes 10 minutes of cajoling, honey laced, positive toned instruction to tell a female worker what you can tell a man in once sentence...
"Look, you screwed up, if you need me to, I'll show you again how to do it the right way, if not, and it was a careless mistake, buck-up and try not to screw-the-pooch again"
The guy you say that to isn't going to burst into tears and be pouty and huffy the rest of the day.
There's so much wasted time and effort having to manage women in the workplace. I truly admire and respect woman, outside of the workplace. Inside, they are pouty, gossipy, over-sensitive, grudge holding people who can't take any constructive criticism and don't seem to ever have the ability to take responsibility for a mistake, correct it, and move on.
I stumbled onto this blog while googling "Jobs without women" I wasn't successful at finding anything (so far). If anyone knows of any workplace environments where female employees are a rarity, please post it here and share. We can turn this into more that just a venting-fest, and maybe get some relief!
I live in a major city, and work with and manage several women everyday. I would gladly take a job driving through the alaskan wilderness, checking oil pipe pressure integrity, than go thru what I have to deal with everyday.
Here is a list of 20 professions, jobs and fields that I have noticed very few females in.
Pizza delivery.
Presidents.
Army, Navy and Air Force: Snipers, Generals, Colonels, Marshall and Admiral.
Train and tram operators.
Taxi drivers.
Drug Dealers.
Truck and Tow Truck drivers.
The main superiors in pornographic movies.
Dictators.
Religious leaders and priests.
Roofers.
Technicians from different companies like Comcast, AT&T, PG&E, and more.
Door to door sales people and car sales people.
Lumberjacks and Tree loggers.
Carpenters.
Body guards.
Millwrights.
Steel workers.
Mechanics.
Movers.
I have only one thing to add; you think you've done everything right for months and seen no signs of unhappiness then on the last day, or a year later, you hear how you were disrespectful or some litany of charges, sometimes accompanied by tears. Basically, you have walking career bombs all around you and often have no idea which will never detonate, which will blow up, and which lie will level your career.
Working with women is hell, no questions asked. They are all mentally ill.
I agree with you 1000%. I work a petty physical job and I swear women will intentionally jump in front of me while I'm moving something heavy. Today my female boss literally saw me moving a heavy item and she turned around and jumped out right in front of me. Of course it makes me look bad. They also feel the need to constantly prove their existence by acting hyper sensitive to every situation. I cant give 110% while I have 2 women behind me while I'm lifting and moving objects. I always have to be careful not to elbow them in the face. They make me sick.
I'm a Woman and I hate working with women! I stay at my desk for breakfast & lunch. I work downtown and the only time I get up is to go to the restroom or go outside to get away from their nagging tails! I am a sexy female, but my brother said I have male tendencies because I live alone, I take care of myself and I don’t complain! There are several guys that talk loud in the office and it drives my female co-worker crazy. One woman turns on her opera music that I hate and creates more noise! I asked her block them out because we have been working with here for years and she should be use to them by now! Another female watches everything everybody does, another female gossips and starts shit all the time, another female has mood swings….my gosh!!! I worked for a male director for 5 years and now we have a woman director. She has hired all of her female friends instead of hiring people in the office that knew how to do the work. She has created hostility between several workers in the office. I’ve learned not to tell my business because management (females) will tell everyone in the office! I hate to say but wait until there is a WOMAN president to run the country! Hehehehe…that’s not funny!
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Excellent post. I was surprised to see the comments from women here too. Rather than the typical feminist shreaks of "misogyny" or "sexist" you ladies actually confirm what we men (dare not) say. Typical women harm the workplace. I am actively seeking employment. Even though empoverished, I WILL NOT WORK WITH WOMEN. They are that bad.
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In fact, as you can see from the photo above, I came from an industry that was mostly men, and I'm working diligently to return to it. Because working with women is like being in a factory farm chicken cage. They are all on top of you, in your business, shitting on each other and pecking each other to death. This behavior was even encouraged by the damn women lab manager. Luckily I saw a hole in the cage and was able to escape the senseless, unproductive madness, that is working with women. I'm free damn it! FREE!!!!!
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I worked for a women's athletic apparel company as their lead IT guy. I lasted about three months.
About a month after I started we held a departmental meeting. The purpose of the meeting was to define our responsibilities. On the white board the manager listed my responsibilities. She listed about ten areas of responsibility. All PCs, servers, store locations, network, email, file, print, etc.
After that, she listed them for my female coworkers. Instead of "areas of responsibility" she started listing tasks. "Change backup tape." "Run xyz script daily." Even listing their responsibilities that way, their lists were still shorter than mine. It was ridiculous. I was thinking to myself "do you people not see this?!"
When I finally raised it later as an issue she exploded. Literally, beet-red, and accusing me of not caring about the company's success. I quit shortly thereafter, and even several of the women there agreed I got a raw deal.
But as they say, "hell hath no fury...". When I started there, I learned they were configuring all their PCs one at a time, and not using any sort of deployment or imaging solution. I tried to convince them to change, but they didn't want to spend the money. So I went to Best Buy and bought the home version on my own dime.
As soon as they saw it in action (I imaged around 20 machines in one afternoon, whereas they were lucky to complete 2 machines/day before) they were finally convinced. Of course, no acknowledgement of this.
After I quit, I removed all traces of the imaging software and encrypted what images I had made. I encrypted all of documentation as well on how to build the images.
Three weeks later I got a call and not surprisingly they wanted the password. I told them that since I paid for it myself, it was my property. Then hung up.
Women apparently hate women. Half the responders are women hating on women. This is the real reason women will never get ahead in the workplace. Why are women so quick to compete and judge each other instead f doing their work and minding their own business? Here's an idea, just do your job, stop talking so much and things will work out 100 times better for everyone. I am a female boss but I almost never have a problem with either gender. That's because I am not a dramatic, praise craving lazy person like 90% of men and women I have worked with.
I work in IT, my experience working with women has either been great or absolute hell. There's rarely any middle ground.
In my experience, women are more likely than men to compensate for incompetence by being extra hostile.
Women are either geniuses with technology or insufferable morons. I don't expect everyone should know how to do what I do, but when you have to explain the same, basic shit to them every.fucking.day and they NEVER EVER learn and then whine and complain because something not-your-fault-or-job-to-fix isn't working and you explain to them the same thing you did 24 hours prior, and they act like you're the asshole because they lack the ability to retain basic information, it gets a little old.
The completely untech women I've had to deal with at my last 2 jobs are like dealing with a child who never learns to tie his shoes.
If your a minority as a man in your workplace, then good luck. I was the only man out of 35 women and ten women supervisors. A few of the most basic interactions will eventually be distasteful to a woman in such an environment. This will likely be due to communication misinterpretation fueled by uncontrollable emotion, your normal reaction to unprofessional behavior such as at-work gossip (especially when it involves you), or their failure to handle some task in a co-operative situation aptly and your response to that failure which will cause them to hold an eternal grudge against you. Any of these situations, or any number of unpredictable other situations, will have them engaging in character assassination of you. This will cause their friends to shun you, not because you had a single bad interaction with those friends (you may have been work-friends with them), but because the friends are too weak of character to resist the social pressure to join in the hate. A man's response to such gossip would be to hear both sides of a situation before he would judge a fellow employee, man or woman, but for women the word of their emotionally unstable workmates is enough. As a minority man, you simply will not have the social clout that would drive a woman to feel the emotional need to treat you with professional respect. If you have one or two women friends there, the women who will eventually hold long term grudges against you will chip away at those friendships behind your back. They won't be able to stand that you have a couple of friends, despite the fact that they enjoy the social privilege of the full work sorority, because those friends devalidate their perception that maybe you aren't totally worth hating after all. Working with women is like working in a pit full of snakes. I feel bad for the few women who are smart and cool enough to rise above it as the social pressure must be horrendous, and I feel terrible for all of the men who are pushed out of such environments as women keep crying about unfair treatment in the workplace. The truth is that a woman in an office of 25 male engineers would likely be treated as gold. Men need their own advocacy groups for woman dominated white collar environments, if for only to prevent abuse.
Unfortunately I am a man who chose to work in a predominantly-female profession, in the health field. In the position I quit recently (without anything else lined up), I was the only man in a 'team' of more than 10 women, for over 4 years. Not that I should need to justify it, but I am gay, and over half of my friends outside of work over the years have been women. So I don't have a problem with 'hating' women... but the job I just quit has seriously made me question if I ever want to work with them again.
The bitchiness, backstabbing, gossiping, passive-aggressive behaviour, insecurity, and narcissism I was exposed to during that 4 year period was unbelievable. As with most large groups of women, there were several cliques within the 'team', who didn't get along. Two colleagues I initially thought I could trust and who'd often complimented me on my work badmouthed me to someone outside of the office. The bitchiest clique within the 'team' stuck together predominantly because they were intimidated by each other.
And the work avoidance... I used to think that I slacked off sometimes before working in this environment, but this group of women made me feel like I was some superhuman workaholic in comparison! It was by far the cruisiest job I've ever had, but most of the women would bitch and moan about how 'busy' and overworked they were all the time... Yet they still had enough time to take over an hour for lunch every day (not including the shopping trip to buy their lunch), and chat to buddies from their clique for at least 45 minutes on top of that each day.
Most times when I left my desk I'd find one of the women looking at news websites, eBay, looking at shoes etc. online, but was powerless to do anything about it, as of course, my 'manager' was also a woman who was in on all of the above. She would micromanage those not part of her clique (including me), yet turn a blind eye to the dodgy work practices of her pals, and even brush off complaints made about the work from some of these women from outside agencies. But if someone outside of her clique put a foot wrong, she'd go to town with it. The 'manager' was quite adamant to drive anyone out of the 'team' who she didn't like/who wouldn't stay quiet about how slack half of the team were, regardless of whether their work was of a high standard. In the end, I cut my losses and resigned.
I saved this page 2 years ago, when having a particularly difficult time at work. I'm not surprised to see there are still being new posts added.
Anonymous said...
"I worked for a male director for 5 years and now we have a woman director. She has hired all of her female friends instead of hiring people in the office that knew how to do the work."
Ha ha, I experienced exactly the same thing. The female 'manager' of the place I used to work at went out of her way to hire people she was friends with, rather than people who were more experienced/better at the job. She went as far to hire someone with 2 years' experience (and only 6 months part-time of that was in a similar role) over someone who had worked in the same job for 18 years! Yet this was a public organization who supposedly hire people on principles of 'merit & equity'. She'd put people on casually for 6 months without a contract (as could be done in this organization), so that when the job had to be advertised, her buddy who was already in the role would always be the preferred applicant.
Anonymous also said:
"I’ve learned not to tell my business because management (females) will tell everyone in the office!"
That was also a hard lesson learned when I worked in the office full of women. Nothing you tell them is confidential, and it can (and does) come back to bite you on the ass.
Half of the women I worked with also felt they were severely underpaid - yet they'd spend half (or more) of their day just socializing with their colleagues who were friends.
Anonymous said:
"Any of these situations, or any number of unpredictable other situations, will have them engaging in character assassination of you. This will cause their friends to shun you, not because you had a single bad interaction with those friends (you may have been work-friends with them), but because the friends are too weak of character to resist the social pressure to join in the hate."
"If you have one or two women friends there, the women who will eventually hold long term grudges against you will chip away at those friendships behind your back."
Damn, those statements are both soooo true, and my experience as well as the only male in an otherwise all-female work environment.
Some other things I forgot to mention:
- A good number of the mostly 30-something women I worked with still acted as though they were teenagers, if not younger, with the way they deliberately excluded others from their cliques, the gossiping and backstabbing. One time, I witnessed a female colleague (who was later promoted to being our manager) make a 'spastic' face at another female colleague behind her back as she was speaking. Another female colleague (who was the manager before her) left fake dog poo on one woman's desk one day, because her desk was a mess. Then there would be times most days when 2 or more of the women would start laughing out loud together in their bitchy little groups when they were supposed to be working. One clique also had pet names for each other, like 'chicken'. They'd walk into the office and address each other as that. My female manager occasionally wolf-whistled at her female colleagues as they walked past her office door. Hardly a professional environment.
- The majority of the women I worked with were constantly on diets, trying to lose weight (when most of them were within a normal weight range). They would talk at length about their diet plans, counting diet 'points' etc. Debating about whether they could or couldn't eat something. And this wasn't during meal breaks. They'd discuss this at length, not even trying to lower their voices so as to not disturb others trying to work. I got so sick of hearing about their stupid diets!
Totally useless, spending time writing about it only compound the loss.
I'm female. I'd estimate that 75% of my workplace dealings with other females are made unnecessarily negative or just plain unproductive. Pettiness, cattiness, competitiveness, jealousy, boundary violations, refusal to focus on work rather than on whose dating who and who weighs what. When it comes to women, most of the time, in my experience, they tend to care much more about satiating their egos and not nearly enough about work. It gets replicated because it gets rewarded.
I've also wondered about this "glass ceiling" this as well. It seems to me that women are women's worst enemy. Not men.
I hate working with younger women and I am a young woman. It seems that young women are more bitcher, passive aggressive, and in some cases just plain mean. What makes me even more mad is that woman feel like they can't make a mistake and so they pretend to know everything when really they don't. There is no shame in asking for help or admitting that you don't have the answer to every question. I just wish women could be a bit nicer and supportive of each other instead of making the problem worse with negativity and rudeness. Women have a serious problem!
I am currently working in a position where 85% of the workers (currently) are older females. They all fall under two categories
1) They are back stabbers, two faced, crying, lazy, unqualified,
2) Or they are qualified but like to either kiss up to management or talk about meaningless things that have nothing to do with work. If you want to socialize, socialize after work, it's annoying when its on company time. Also, it detracts from valuable time that could be spent on learning new things during training. No one cares about what you ate for lunch or how old your dog is.
I usually just keep to myself at work and leave but its getting annoying
I am so fed up with this position that I'm just ready to walk out.
Thank God im not the only who prefers male bosses!
Wow holy crap. I like working with other women. I work in a professional field and just really appreciate my female colleagues. They are so much more helpful and they never think they are too good to lend a helping hand or file things properly. I find the men are quick to anger and it makes it uncomfortable. It's also soooo annoying how they think being a man just makes them good at things like leadership. They are overconfident, less honest, and more likely to make big mistakes and blame others.
I also find men to be remarkably more self-centred and needlessly hard on employees below. They are also less likely to give fair compensation or treat minorities equally.
There is a problem in this country and it's discrimination. I'm sorry but women make better engineers. We stick to guidelines and codes better and are better at putting public interest before out own interests.
Women are always harder on other women and it's because our society hates women and teaches women to hate and blame each other.
Men as a group in leadership have a dark dark side. They spend more money on vice market activities that degrade society like gambling, booze, and prostitution. Every penny a women makes instead of a man is a step forward for the communities, for children, and for the well being of the world. Men are too driven for themselves and this is why working and sharing power with women bothers them, because they don't want women to have the joys and benefits of the work
Backstabbing? What is this blog but bitching and gossiping about your female bosses? And this type of hypocrisy is exactly why if women ruled the world it wouldn't have nearly as many problems as the one men generated.
The bottom line is that men don't know how to relate or get along with women because they make no effort to do so and because they don't understand that maybe why their female colleagues are so upset is because one in 5 women suffer from PTSD due to sexual assaults, or maybe her husband beats her, or maybe she's just fed up with how she works twice as hard and gets paid twice as much. The biggest mistake women make in the office is trying to lead like men.
Yeah, anyway ...
Women in the workplace are a modern day curse. I am actively looking for a job with as few women in the environment as possible.
A word of advice to men who have to work with women - keep a diary of all incidents. If/when you start being bullied, and let's face it most of what has been described above IS bullying, then formalise at the first opportunity; bullying women like to work in secret - it's a dirty, private, ugly relationship they are forcing on to you, bring it out into the open!
Never give in to female bullies - if they force you out of your job - bring them with you!! I got forced out of my job by two bullying female managers, however I left with a perfect reference and six months pay plus I destroyed both their reputations.
Never give in!
Let me say this loud and clear.. Women .. The world is not entitled to your fucking hormones and breakdowns. Be it my will I would fucking fire you the first fucking time you cry about some stupid trivial shit. You want to be treated as equals in the workplace then fucking medicate.
I am a woman and Hate working with women especially in a hospital. I am a CNA and all the nurses I work with are women. They play the "Awww let's all get starbucks... let's all get burritos" it's high school. How many nurses do you need to clean a man's balls? Pardon my language but it's true. Glad I am studying for lab which is mostly male dominated and no period synchronizing will happen. Sheez
I made the choice to enter teaching as a profession, primarily a women's profession. I have, over the last 30 years, watched the feminist movement punish boys in our system to the point where boys are failing, not going on to university, and making up about 80% of the intensive behaviour programs, academic remediation, and school suspensions.
I have nothing against women, but working with them has been a great challenge. They undermine each other, and punish boys and men whenever they are empowered. There are some very good women to work with as well, but given the choice, I would prefer to work with men. Men have their issues, but they are not constantly in "a mood", and they are more consistent workers. Women work part-time, are constantly after their rights, and you have to watch your back.
I also hate women managers - in almost every instance I'll be doing fine in my job and then some new woman will come into the department and shake things up and I either get laid off, or bitched at.
I'm a good worker, but for some reason women managers seem to really dislike me. I'm not sure why - I'm not disrespectful and I do my job - but it's like they all feel threatened.
do NOT work with women. petty, emotional, petty, focus on trivial nonsense, cat fighting, mean girls club, micromanaging everything, constant meetings, psychos, cluster ABC personality deranagements. just say NO to working with women. could not pay us enough. Yikes!
Excellent article. Truth.
Gentlemen, they are emotional vampires
I work in Medicaid with all women. Freaking hate it
Working to transition and leave ASAP
Working in an all female workplace as a male is like digging your own grave. The problem with women these days is that they are taught to hate instead of love.
This is an opportunity for men to talk freely
You think it's easy dealing with you ladies and your bullshit everyday
You ladies are draining to be around, and lack logic, reason, and common sense.
Women in general, don't know how to govern due to numerous shortcomings...Why do you think there have been more men as leaders throughout history? Damn, if you ladies ever led a nation...the Land of PMS...lol
Its worse enough having to work around too many of you.
I'm a woman and all of my female bosses have been crazy. Most of it stems from feeling threatened , insecurity and jealousy. I've had bosses that watched everything I did, told blatant lies and sent harrassing nasty emails on a daily basis. Usually once they see they can't find fault with your work they move on to petty gossip and nitpicking. Most of my bosses had weight problems and would focus on what I ate or why I didn't eat or why I ate so late in the day. One tried to assign a closet as my office another made all the women line up in front of the restroom and go one by one to look in a stall where someone hadn't flushed. I like yo come to work do a good job and go home. That is the exact opposite of what most women managers want. The y need the drama and the gossip and the cliques.
I've worked with women for over 35 years. They come in three types:
1. Bitchy, whiny, can't-get-my-work-done, zero-knowledge, YET PROMOTED CONSTANTLY.
2. Man-haters in power who basically hire men to torture them due to some baggage from another man
3. Self-confident, easy to get along with, quick decision-makers, low drama / low maintenance
Sadly, the last type is the most rare.
I've been in my own business for over 20 years now, (THANKFULLY!) and I've had mostly male clients mostly because of how horrible women are. When I get a new client that's a woman, it doesn't last long. And not because I don't kiss ass, do the best work possible and am never late with projects, it's just a part of doing business with women. They would much prefer working with a woman in my industry (design). It's a sad state of affairs, because this used to be an industry dominated by men and in those days, it was a lot more efficient, easy, quick, cheaper, better. Now it's horrible.
My largest client had a director that was a man and I did biz with them for over 14 years. Then, last year, he retired. They put a supposed "communications manager" in charge of all projects coming to me, whereas before I worked directly with him and loved it. I knew it would be a pile of shit and it has been. In the old days, I could get a project through in about a week. Now it takes a month. Why? This idiot has to put her little changes and fingerprints on EVERYTHING that passes under her nose. And the worst part is, she has zero idea how to do ANYTHING related to our industry. I have no idea how she's ever gotten hired. She is truly an idiot. She makes changes for the sake of making changes. Because she can.
Every time I have to do a project and stand up for my designs (as any good designer should do) that's it. The project is dead. I never hear about it again and she does it on her own. She basically can't handle a challenge. When it happens, she leaves the field.
When I was much younger, I worked at a publishing company and was the only man in a department of about 30 women. Thankfully, I had my own office with a door and they were all in cubicles. I called it the chicken yard because that's what it sounded like when they'd all get clucking. It was pure hell and I could not wait to leave that place. All of their periods were sync'd up. The week that was happening, I made sure to keep my door closed, take long lunches and leave early. I had it marked on my calendar with a red dot to remind me. My boss was a woman, too, but she was different. She was confident, didn't take any crap and treated me fairly. She didn't mix in with the rest of them at all, and she was their boss too.
But the OP is right. Women are very difficult. I dread it when a woman calls me for business because I know it's going to be horrible. I usually ad about 30 percent to the job for a hassle fee. I have to, because it's going to take me twice as long to get the work done.
I had another client that I was working with, designed the job, got it almost to print and then he left and a woman replaced him. Guess what? The job had to be re-designed and when I tried to charge them for the re-design, the basically paid what they owed and went to... wait for it... a WOMAN designer! I was not sad at all. :-)
This is a first ... me commenting on shit on the internet.
I don´t find it incredible that we have come no further than this. After all we have built our entire culture, our social structures and our organizations on a male ideal. We cannot expect that the very good decision of gender equality settles into all of that over night, or in fifty years.
I am female, I enjoy very much working with both genders, I am however especially pleased with some of the female managers I have had over the years. I have a high position in a national newspaper. I am also normaly comfortable working with men, however it can get tiresome sometimes when there are too many of them and too few women and I am met with a startup of prejudice like these. I have mostly been able to overcome these differences by being nice, working hard, delivering good, winning prizes with my work and generally being open, curious and actually quite a geek within my field. Sometimes, however, even that doesnt work. I have encountered situations where information necessary to perform well at work have been shared over men-exclusive beers or just between the comrades when they go out for a cigarette. No intention of excluding the few women present, thats simply the way they always did it and the women simply didnt fit in. I have also observed women who do everything to be in with the men and backstab their female collegues in order to gain acceptance with the men thinking they are like one of the guys. Newsflash: You never will be, not in these places.
Happy to speak from a place where I have throughout maintained good relations also with these groups of men, I can say this: That was not easy, and I can very well understand the women who tackle them being bitches. I can also understand the women who tackle these things getting insecure. I generally encounter that men and women alike become good to work with when you start with genuine appreciacion for their good sides, so I do that even when men get boy-clubish. It has sometimes been quite a struggle. It has especially been complicated not to tackle male leaders who seem to disregard how people work when organizing places, and thus makes bad work-environments that in turn are less productive then they could be.
Finally: A pilot project from such a strange place as the kurdish guerilla/terrorists/(whatever, its not the point here) known as PKK. They have had plenty of female solidiers in their ranks, and in order to make efficient use of them they simply had clean female patrols. According to them the reason why was because women are different from men and need to do warfare in their own way. The patrols found their own way of organizing and working, and have an equal success-rate on their missions, however a slightly lower death toll. Perhaps their way was a little different, but just as much I think the absence of men made everything easyier in the bitch-or-insecurity-department.
So: If you have trouble with this at your working space: make all the men leave for vacation at the same time, leave the entire responsibility to the group of women and allow them to organize as they see fit. That might help. Try to adapt to each other and take the best from both worlds when you get back.
Or, if you are in no position to do that: Try genuine appreciacion and express believe in people. Works miracles.
Kind regards
Full-time working single mom, loved and appreciated colleague
(And pardon my spelling - english is my fourth language)
Thank god I'm not alone! I work in an engineering office, and for some reason the powers that be have decided to put two female administrators in with us. When they're not complaining about each and every little thing to each other, they're whining about being cold, talking loudly on the phone, stinking the place out with nasty perfume, or polluting the space with air fresheners. Neither of them contribute anything of any value whatsoever to the office (or the company as a whole as far as I can see) and the level of passive-aggressive idiocy is getting to the point where people are starting to become seriously annoyed
Damn, I am a woman myself and can't even work well with female bosses... For example, It's like they don't explain stuff clearly. When you don't understand she wants you to ask. When you asked a simple question she said, "Why are you asking? Do you have to know that?? You are not thinking, you don't need to know this in order to do the work!" Then when I work with a male from another company, he's like okay done. The female was like, you need to do this, I need those contact number, please update us etc. So many comments that aren't very necessary.
Most women are very Horrible to work with and always will be.
hahahaha what a great read. passive-aggressive middle aged asian is dead on.
I never thought I would agree with this. I started noticing cattiness among women since high school and even before, but I never thought this would continue towards the work enviroment.
Not all women are like that, there are some who are genuinely nice and supportive, but boy, are they scarce or what?
It sucks and it hurts...I am a woman myself, and I refuse to admit that some women do contribute to a hostile work environment. That they back stab their fellow female coworkers. It is just to sad to take in :(
No you don't.
So good to read these comments! I am a woman, currently working in a female-dominated environment and I hate it! It's been such a relief to read these comments and have my own feelings and thoughts articulated. I am so sick of conversations that have absolutely no point - talk about verbal diarrhoea! If I hear one more comment about dieting, shopping, or some other inane meaningless bulls**t I think I might just put some superglue in my ears! Plus, it's all the passive-aggressive stuff and their inability to have a straightforward dialogue themselves, but great ability to resent and hate on you for being frank and assertive. I have to curb my tongue in so much as I would probably offend everyone if I said what I actually thought, which wouldn't be a probably if I didn't have to work with them side by side. Plus. they've all worked together for years and I am the new temp, so it's pointless creating too many waves when I'm bouncing soon. The only thing helping me get through the days calmly is knowing that I only have two weeks left and that the job itself is a doddle (not that you'd know that from the way they go on about it!).
Problem not probably*
I work at university in Texas. Been there for almost two years. Before that I was an independent graphic designer. Now in an office where the men to women ratio is about 4 to 1.
When will tattle to your boss about the most innocuous things.
Women don't have the discretion or respect to not micromanage and piss all over your work
Women shamelessly kiss the ass of their superiors and gleefully jump through all their ridiculous hoops, and expect you to do the same.
Women will work to break you down and turn you into a compliant little feminist yes-man
I find more of the brain-washed feminists posting in later years of this thread. You've had enough time to be so fully conditioned by the feminist lies and propaganda that you don't even read what people are saying anymore, you're simply triggered, and offer up the usual PC bullshit just like a well-trained dog.
Truth hurts. And the truth is, women are much more about following rules and conformity, trivial little power games and micromanagement than they are about doing quality work and getting it done quickly. The majority of you are petty little tyrants, and a collossal pain in the ass.
In the process of looking for a job with the least amount of women in the workplace possible.
don't expect it to get better... its even worse to work for a woman who used to be a man..
I have to agree that working with women is extremely trying. I have been in the work force on and off for 35 years and I prefer working with and for men. Women tend to have a degree of irrational thinking when it comes to the work place. Overall men are more easy going and have a natural confidence as opposed to most women who always seem to need to prove something either to themselves or everyone else they work with. This insecurity spills over into all aspects of the business. Co-workers are those who suffer the most as a result. I am now a stay at home wife and thrilled to be so!
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